from the minutes of the Century Society 3/192023

The birth of Christianity was not wholly Jewish.  The plethora of gods, goddesses and religions could not be excluded and they weren’t.  A hotbed of religious activity not properly understood is at Alexandria, the second city of the Roman Empire and the first intellectually.  The arrival of the Greeks as conquerors fueled religious speculation while it was obvious that on the cusp of the Airean and Piscean Ages a new Age was beginning. A new sky (Piscean stars) and a new earth,  In the distance from the Taurean Age to the Piscean the mentality of humanity had advanced dramatically.  Change was in the air.

As pointed out previously the universal Roman Empire called out for a universal religion.  The Jews themselves were not susceptible to change reveling in ages old practices.  The belief that God so loved the Jews especially could not stand up.  As the Roman Empire was universal and a universal religion proclaiming that God so loved the world that he sent his only begotten son to proclaim it was I believe developed in Alexandria. 

Now, when as Jewish legends have it the Jews fled Egypt it is ridiculous to think that the entire Jewish population, the Jews having been in Egypt for 400 years, all chose to leave.  The fleshpots of Egypt were much to alluring.

Even fifty years after having been transported to fabulous Babylon when the Jews were given the option of returning to Jerusalem or remaining in Babylon only a small group of cranks preferred to leave.  The main body chose to stay.  It cannot have been otherwise in Egypt.  Thus there were probably more Jews in Alexandria and Egypt than in Palestine.  There were nearly a million in Alexandria.  Mingling with the Greek and Egyptians religionists the main challenge to Jewish beliefs came from those two religions.

Of the three peoples the Greeks were the most internationally minded having conquered the Eastern lands the least stubbornly rooted in old ideas.  One must assume that the idea of a universal religion came from them, possibly even before Alexandria became Roman, certainly so.  Now, Jesus, was a universal religious symbol.  It is recorded that he was sent to Jerusalem to preach the new gospel, which he was in fact preaching.  If he was sent he came from somewhere else.

I think it more probable that Jesus and perhaps a dozen or two others were selected as infants to be raised in the new universal religion, thus they would know nothing else.  A myth was created to associate Jesus. with Judaea, perhaps after the fact of his ministry.  The myth of the three wise men from Persia following a star is one.  The star obviously was the star of Pisces, thus indicating that Jesus was the avatar of Pisces. Trained in Alexandria, he was sent to the  religious capitals of the Empire to assimilate a universal attitude.  Thus he was initiated into the Greek Eleusis religion which was in itself international in scope.  Anyone in the Empire who was any one would be required to be an initiate.

Proof that Jesus was initiated is provided by the Last Supper as indicated at another of our sessions.  At the supper Jesus toasted the members by saying first with a loaf of bread, this is my body, then with a goblet of wine, this is my blood.  The bread from the earth represented the temporal world and wine from sun represented the spiritual, thus uniting the two spheres, the above and the below.  Thus he gave away the secret of the Eleusis ritual which had been a closely guarded secred.

How the ritual of communion developed isn’t clear but surely the Last Supper is a myth.  We will continue this issue at our next session.

From the minutes of the Century Society, 3/17/2023

Today we look at the consequences of the Roman deportation of the Jews from Palestine to Spain.  One must know that there were already Jewish colonies in Spain as there were in every other part of the Empire.  The stress from this total warfare with the Jews had helped to breakdown the integrity of the Empire.  Admisistrative controls were seriously damaged.

With the breakdown of the Empire, the peoples of the pale outside the Roman borders, taking advantage of Roman weakness, the decay of the central authority, began to take advantage crossing the border into the Roman provinces.

This may be compared to the US today when the central authority has deteriorated so that the ‘barbarians’ to the South of the US are flooding in without opposition.

In Spain the Vandals first and then the Visigoths succeeding took possession of Spain.  One must remember that by human conceptions of time the period of the Vandal and Visigoth possession was a matter of hundreds of years, to get the feel that’s like 1600 to the present. Before the invasion of the Moors in 711  brought across the straits  by the Jews who threw open the gates of the cities.  The Visigoths were driven out and the period known as the three religions began.

The Jews had a ‘sweet deal’ with the Visigoths as one member put it.  What he meant was that the Visigothic kings were having difficulties collecting taxes by their own countrymen.  The Jews stepped up saying ‘Tell us how much you need and we’ll get for you pronto and keep anything over your needs.’ 

That solved the Monarch’s problem but destroyed the lives of his subjects.   Given a license to steal you can believe the Jews made use of it.

Backed by the authority of the crown they descended on the subjects like the locusts of legend.  They took everything the people had down to the seeds required for the next crop.

When planting time came up the tax collectors sold their seed back to them along with the confiscated equipment charging the subjects exorbitant rates of interest.  Thus the Visigoth subjects were enslaved by the Jews.  Over time the subjects rebelled and attacked the Jew who retreated into their enclaves and demanded protection from the King.  The kink took their side and attacked his own subjects.

The method had been used by Joseph in Egypt during the seven fat and lean years.  The Egyptian people were free and prosperous before the Jews and slaves after.  Compare that to the period of the Jud Suss, Joseph Oppenheimer,  in Germany.  As the viceroy of Duke Alexander of the German State of Wurttemburg in the eighteenth century  the Wurttemburgers were free and prosperous but while the Duke was defending the State against the French, Suss, using his powers as the viceroy destroyed the freedom of the people reducing them to the equivalent of slaves.

The US was free and prosperous before the Jewish colonists arrived in the nineteenth century  while today through usurious interest collected from credit cards half the country is in debt slavery while freedom is eroded more every day.

Thus over millennia  the Jewish method remains the same.  Any setback is only temporary, they only come back stronger than ever.

Just as the Romans tried to solve the problem by dispersing the Jews (and these were only the Palestinian Jews, not the colonies or Mesopotamia) and forbidding them to occupy Palestine.

In the crucial years of 290 to say 1492 the Europeans tried to solve the problem by expelling the Jews for their lands.  Finally, under the threat of extermination by the Jews themselves, the Germans responded by trying to exterminate their professed enemies.

Our next meeting will backtrack a little again.

Minutes of the Oxford Society 3/17/2023. R.E. Prinde Sec’y.

From the minutes of the Century Society 3/16/2023

Today the discussion was a back and fill of the minutes of last session.  The defeat of 70AD caused the Jews to reflect but not desist.  Even though the temple was destroyed and the population decimated forty-five years later two of the largest Jewish colonies were convinced to revolt, or perhaps, other colonies preferred to remain quiet. 

The expression of this Jewish revolt was no military action, but rather the Jews rose up and began murdering the non-Jewish population in a sneak attack.  The two colonies affected were the very large settlements of Alexandria, Egypt and the island of Cyprus.  Two hundred fifty thousand Alexadrines and two hundred fifty thousand Cypriots were slaughtered and not just slaughtered; the Jews were said to wear their intestines  as belts and other atrocities. 

So, in real terms not much different from the holocausts of WWII.  The reactions of the Mediterranean world must been to be aghast.  It also must follow that Jews in all parts of the Empire were shunned, distanced and avoided.  The slaughter was horrific.  What the reaction was in attacked Jewish colonies was isn’t recorded but it must have been harsh.  This was a mere forty-five years after the Jewish defeat.  There must have been many people alive who remembered that.

Twenty years later in 135 the Bar Kochba revolt was waged that exasperated the Romans beyond endurance.  The legions descended on Israel slaughtering how many. while masses were deported, mainly to Spain.  Then a manhunt was conducted to kill any militants and planners left alive.

The Romans forbade the Jews to inhabit Israel for all time in hope that without their home of Jerusalem survivors would blend In with the population.  But the colonies and Jews in Mesopotamia still existed.

The result must have been the detestation of Jews everywhere, how could it have been otherwise.  Yet Jewish resistance was not done yet although clandestine.

Meanwhile the Catholic, or Universal Church, for that is what catholic means, was slowly taking form.  The Christians were persecuted from time to time by various Emperors but their numbers were increasing although they remained a minority.

Constantine would win the Battle of the Milvian Bridge in 312, subsequently to make Christianity, as the Catholic Church, the State religion.  All the old gods were not yet finished still being practiced at that time.

This date 3/16/2023, Sec’y R.E. Prindle

From the minutes of the Century Society:

With a tip of the hat to the late great historian, Arnold Toynbee

The current problem in world affairs stems from the political and religious conditions of the conquest by the Roman Empire of the myriad populations surrounding the Mediterranean Sea. By consolidating the littoral and surrounding people the Romans unintentionally created a universal State.  Roman mores extended over this ancient world.

Each of these various nations  had their own chief god and other gods.  Thus, as examples,  Zeus and Yahwey; the former Greek and the latter Judaic.  The two gods were equal along with the Phoenician Baal, and the Egyptian Isis and Osiris among others. 

The political unification of the Mediterranean thus demanded an accompanying universal religion.  The people having the most qualified god to offer as this universal god were the Judaics.  They leaped to fill the void.  While other gods represented only their respective people, the Jews had fashioned their god as a universal god above all other gods.

The Jews themselves, seeking to impose their god on humanity, made the attempt by reproducing themselves at a fantastic rate.  ‘Go ye forth and multiply.’ their god told them.  Asymmetric warfare. With the admonition to bring all the other peoples to him alone.  Having followed their god’s desire the Jews had multiplied sending colonies out to all the cities of Rome including Rome itself.

Therefore by the year 0, Julian calendar, and at the cusp of the Age of Pisces according to the Zodiacal calendar the Jews having thoroughly infiltrated the Empire declared war on Rome much as they would do in Germany in the twentieth century.  It was their intent that the colonies in Roman cities would rise with them thus keeping Roman troops so dispersed that an easy conquest would ensue.  The colonies did not rise and the Roman legion smashed Jerusalem and Israel in 70 AD.  Jewish military hopes were shown to be impracticable. 

Realizing the futility of military means the Jews adopt a bore from within strategy by religious means.  Thus Paul began the process of converting the Jewish followers of Jesus of Nazareth to a universal god while admitting the goyim.  The goyim were unimpressed with circumcision and the peculiar dietary laws so that these were dropped as a condition of admittance.  At the same time the Greek avatar of the emerging Piscean Age, Dionysus was joined to Jesus under the title Jesus the Christ, or the anointed one.  Hence Christianity.  Then Christianity escaped them after the religion had been organized by them in Rome.  By another change of name Christianity became the Catholic or Universal Church.

From that point on the history of Europe evolved into the situation of today in which the Jews are claiming spiritual and temporal domination.

Dated this day: 3/15/2023.  Sec’y of the Century Society, R.E. Prindle

G.W.M. Reynolds, Psychology, Pickwick And A Link To Edgar Allan, Poe


R.E. Prindle

Texts:  Pickwick Abroad, Teggs Edition.1839

The Youthful Impostor, reprint, original 1832, rewritten in 1835.

As I’ve said, I’ve read Pickwick Abroad three times.  I think the book is slighted the first reading because of its appropriation of Charles Dickens’ characters and story idea.  The shock to one’s proprieties is quite strong.  Bedazzled by the daring of Reynolds one tends to be critical of the novel compared to the original.  Time passes, a deeper understanding of Reynolds is acquired and a finer understanding of Pickwick Abroad begins.

Reynolds was quite young when he wrote the book, a mere twenty-three.  Forced out onto the world at the tender age of sixteen, the book fictionalizes his experience in the land of his exile, France.  All the memories are raw from just having been experienced, while his future was very uncertain. 

Reynolds left England in 1830 some few months after the July Revolution in France.  The revolution would have a profound effect on the boy, turning him into what was called a Red Republican, that is one who endorsed the violence of the First French Revolution and the bloody three days of the second, or July Revolution.  He would carry this attitude with him back to England.

At the age of eighteen he married a girl his age by the name of Susannah Pierson. Her death only, in 1858, ended the marriage.  She was apparently the perfect help mate for him, being herself an author of several books their interests meshed.  Little is known of her but if Reynolds remembrance is factual he probably met her father on his arrival in the French port of Calais.  This man unidentified by name opened Reynolds’ perception to the criminal side of human behavior.  He showed young Reynolds how to see the world.  Indicating to him the methods of criminals thus broadening young Reynolds perspectives by double.  Pickwick Abroad thus becomes a history of petty criminals, con men and sponges, that is parasites.  This was recorded in The Youthful Impostor.

Little is directly known of Reynolds’ doings in France other than what he tells us of his explorations.  To see and do what he describes must have occupied the bulk of his time.  Would that we knew more of his associates.  He moved in literary circles acquiring a sound background in editing and publishing that was of use to him on returning to England.  He immersed himself in French culture and history as will begin to be evident later in this essay when he displays his knowledge of activities in psychology and its center at the Salpetriere Asylum in Paris.

Thus he viewed the major attractions in and around Paris becoming familiar with the police and judiciary.  A constant grey presence throughout the length of novel is the gendarme Msieu Dumont.  The presence is beneficial while Reynolds expresses great admiration of him and actually of the police and the gendarmerie.  Here one wonders if the model for Dumont might be the father of Susannah and hence Reynolds’ father in law.  Pickwick met Dumont in Calais and It was in that town that Reynolds had his eyes opened.  Ah, but that might be too convenient.

The chapters of XXXII, XXXIII and XXXIV held special interest to me.  These are Reynolds at his best.  In chapter XXXII Pickwick and his entourage of conmen, spongers and hanger ons along with his club members and the irrepressible Samuel Weller go out for the evening.  They enter what appears to be a restaurant  but as the evening progresses many women at the table d’hote begin acting zany and get madder and madder when a woman jumps up jumps up on the table to do an obscene dance.  The entourage realize that they are in a madhouse.  The proprietor is a Doctor.

This introduces the subject of the Salpetriere. The women’s asylum.  Later in the novel. Reynolds will introduce us to the men’s asylum the Bicetre, another very interesting episode.  This now brings us to the connection of Reynolds and Edgar Allan Poe.

Poe was of course a profound psychologist, much more than Reynolds although in many ways whatever the latter learned in France put him well ahead of anyone in England.  The French themselves were the psychological leaders of Europe.  While Freud preempted them in a shameful way he owed nearly everything to Jean Martin Charcot, Pierre Janet and the doctors around Charcot at the Salpetriere.  One might say that without his French connection there would have been no Sigmund Freud.

Of course Charcot was just beginning his career when Reynolds wrote Pickwick Abroad.  We have to know a lot more about what circles Reynolds ran in.  We do know  that he once bought a story from William Makepeace Thackeray and actually paid him.  Most magazines either refused to pay or put it off as long as they could.  Nevertheless Reynolds must have actually visited the Salpetriere and Bicetre as these chapters around the institutions are actually quite intense and heart rending.

The question then is did Reynolds’ story influence Edgar Allan Poe.  Reynolds published in 1839 and Poe in 1845.  Poe was certainly well known in English literary circles by 1845 as Poe more or less took them by storm.  Reynolds was known in the US by 1836 when his rewritten story The Youthful Impostor was published in the US.  It is not unreasonable then to think that Pickwick Abroad was also published in the US shortly after 1839 and that Poe at sometime between say, 1840 and 1844 read the book and was impressed by the named chapters under discussion.  He took the hint and turned it into the brilliant story of The System Of Dr. Tarr and Professor Fether.  There may be a clue to Reynolds in the use of the word  ‘system’ by Poe. 

Reynolds has a running joke about his character Hook Walker, Hamas Ambulator as another character translates the name into Latin.   Walker has a system for every thing his systems becoming somewhat a tiring joke.  Actually the name Hook Walker is a joke that would have been funny to many readers.  A book published in 1841, still de riguer for the cognoscenti, Chales Mackay’s Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness Of Crowds, explains the meaning of the name Hook Walker to Renolds.  I quote from the chapter titled Popular Follies Of Great Cities:


‘Hookey Walker’ derived from the chorus of a popular ballad, was also in high favor at one time and served like its predecessor ‘Quoz’, to answer all questions.  In the course of time the latter word (Walker) alone became the favorite, and was uttered with a peculiar drawl upon the first syllable, a sharp turn upon the last.  If a lively servant girl was importuned for a kiss by a fellow she did not care about…the probable answer he would receive was, ‘Walker!’  If a dustman asked his friend for the loan of a shilling and his friend was unwilling to accommodate him the probable answer he would receive  was ‘Walker!’


So I suppose the meaning was something like ‘Fat Chance.’

Hookey Walker was a ballad popular some time earlier.   The character of Hook Walker would have provided hilarity throughout PA.  The book itself, which is very comedic, must have been thought hilariously funny, or Reynolds hoped so.

Poe being an honest writer, while he doesn’t directly indicate Reynolds as the source for the idea, Poe’s narrator and a companion are riding down the road discussing insanity and his friend point’s out the famous asylum of Dr. Tarr  The narrator turns off to investigate while his friend rides on.  I interpret that as Poe indicating he got the story idea from Reynolds (or someone as Reynolds isn’t named)  but his own story is quite different being more highly developed.  Poe, then, as I interpret had read PA and borrowed the idea.  Thus Reynolds for at least one story had an influence on Poe.

At the end of chapter XXXII one of the madwomen slips a letter to Pickwick that he pockets.  Carrying on the looniness of the times Reynolds shifts from the ladies to the men in a parody of Craniology in chapter XXXIII.  He portrays a different kind of lunacy, that of Prof. Franz Gall’s Phrenology, or the reading of the contours of the head.  Phrenology was misunderstood at the time and roundly ridiculed, but Gall was vindicated in later times as the functions of the different areas of the brain have been understood.  A number of good horror films from the thirties to today deal with the issue, an excellent one being ‘The Black Death’.  Another mad doctor.  Everybody gets a good laugh at the joke played on the craniologist and then we get on with the story.

Pickwick finds time in his busy schedule to open the letter written by the madwoman that details the descent into madness off herself and her lover and would be husband.

From my point of view Reynolds really turns on the juice to rival Poe in his understanding of psychology.

The psychologist Dr. Jean Martin Charcot working in the sixties, seventies and eighties in the Salpetriere on what was then called hysteria initially believed that hysteria had a physical origin while others contended it was a psychological reaction to a traumatic event or events.  Writing in the late thirties Reynolds was already certain of the latter.  Women during the nineteenth century were treated very badly.   The burdens placed on their psychological well being were horrendous, especially in the lower economic classes.  One would think that this would have been immediately clear to Charcot where he had an asylum full of mistreated women.

Reynolds presents two sides to the problem.  Another point of view was that insanity was inherited, a family characteristic.  I’m not sure which side Reynolds took on this issue, he may have been ambivalent or believed both.

Pickwick’s letter gives the woman’s side of what happened.  This is a very tragic story, detailed in chapters XXXIV and XXXV.  The woman and a man fall in love.  Both are ardent.  The woman’s problem is that she thinks insanity is inherited in her family line.  She therefore believes that she is destined to go insane at some future time while at the same time she doesn’t want to bring any children into the world who will inevitably carry what we would call today,  a gene of insanity.

While she is in love with her future husband she refuses to marry him without saying why; the deeper reason being that her children will have the insanity propensity or gene.  This refusal to marry drives her lover to distraction.  Thus we have a traumatic cause of insanity on both sides without any neurological damages.

Her prospective husband has a reaction to disappointed expectations traversing through depression to insanity. There is a great deal of depth to Reynolds that is easily overlooked by a casual reading.  This first story in Pickwick of the horrors of Madness comes from deep down.  In his five year residence in France with visits to almost all significant sites, the next will be the prison and insane asylum of the Bicetre at which Dr. Pinel worked.  Reynolds seems to have been inside each as well as nearly every prison in France.  And he is going to take all of this profound experience back to England to be digested

Bob Dylan And the C Lawsuit


R.E. Prindle

Here of late I’ve become a little troubled about the recent lawsuit filed against Bob Dylan by a complainant identified only as C by her lawyers.  The charge is that Bob Dylan imprisoned her for six weeks in New York City’s Chelsea Hotel for sexual reasons. 

The charge aroused a large denunciation from Dylan’s ardent fans, one might say disciples.   I know not if the charges are true but, at the same time, something was happening at the Chelsea.  Bob did have rooms there, that’ a fact, although unknown to the general public.  Nineteen sixty-five when this was alleged to have happened, was one of the strangest years of the Sixties Era.  Mind baffling stuff was taking place.  Many strange and weird movies were being screened, ground breaking in their audacity 

I am going to construct a scenario about the alleged Chelsea  incident within the context of the time.  While I can come to no definite conclusion, I think there is a good film at least in the account.

The mores of our time are largely shaped by the movies we see.  We begin, then with the 1963 movie of John Fowles novel, ‘The Collector.’  This was a very influential film, replicated many times in real life in subsequent times expressed in the sexual mores of Britain and the US.

Incredibly the movie was made and released in the same year the book was published.  So the script was either written before the book was published or the day the book was released and rushed into production.  The film astonished us all.  It came across as a blueprint to be followed.

The idea was that a young man took a fancy to a young twelve year old girl who attended a London school.  He abducted her coming  from school and placed her in an underground wine cellar on his estate.  He didn’t molest her as he hoped that she would learn to love him and settle in with him.  She refused and the movie continued as one might expect.  I’m speculating that Dylan saw the movie and it made an indelible impression on him as it did us all.

In her autobiography, Dandelion, Catherine James says she was introduced to Dylan as a thirteen year in 1963.  Devoting a few pages to Bob she says that it was a sparkling romance, although ‘platonic,’ if that is believable.

Now we shift to New York City in 1964.  The social scene in NYC was vibrant.  Drugs, amphetamine, ruled the scene. The city was saturated with amphetamines.  Dylan was a partaker.  Andy Warhol and his crowd lived on amphetamines.  And had captured the attention of the art world by using the image of a Cambell’s soup can as a topic, one might say a portrait.  That fact might not have become general knowledge but for Time Magazine seizing on Warhol and the Pop Art phenomenon promoting it aggressively for years.

Time Magazine at the time was the trend setter of American magazine publishing.  One might say that Time was instrumental in creating this period.  Warhol, the Beatles and Dylan formed a large part of the entertainment section of the magazine.  Thus in 1965 Dylan, Edie Sedgwick and Any Warhol were the center of notoriety.  Within NYC Edie was famous, if not more famous than Dylan himself.  Within the Bohemian community the two people were the talk.  Outside the bohemian community they were probably unknown, still their lives were and would be influential.

Dylan had met Edie Sedgwick, who was the talk of the town, when his sidekick, Bobby Neuwirth virtually snatched Edie off the street and brought her to the venue at which Dylan was performing in December 1964.  Neuwirth introduced Edie, who was a lovely if totally insecure girl to Bob and the two hit it off.  Dylan was smitten by her.  The romance developed quickly into January at which time Dylan was booked into his fabled folk tour of England.

He persuaded Edie to say she would wait for him until he returned in May.  Of course she promised but as soon as Bob’s plane was airborne she changed her allegiance to Andy Warhol thereby setting off a serious feud between Dylan and himself.  Andy wooed Edie by promising her movie roles in his worthless films.  The movies well received in what was then known as the counter-culture but were rejected by general society.

Now, up to this point in his career Dylan had been a political folksinger.  He was the darling of the civil rights crowd.  He performed solo with his guitar and harmonica dressed in his vision of an Okie farm laborer and singing with a hokey invented accent.

So far, so good.

Up to this point in his career Dylan had sung and written politically correct songs.  He was actually revitalizing a dormant crowd of folkies.  Folk music was on a solid downward trend until he came along.  The catch was that he wanted to be a rock and roll singer.  The folk scene was just a shuck with an easy entry into recording.  Thus unknown to anyone he had signed a rock band to back him up with electric instruments for the tour.

In England he played his opening set as expected solo with his guitar and harmonica and was adoringly received.  For the second set he brought out his electric band.  There are videos of this on the internet and viewed from a musical sense it was just a noisy, uncoordinated, raucous scarcely understandable set.

His audience was shocked and offended feeling betrayed as, actually, they were.  Dylan by this time was nearly a cult figure to core, almost worshipful, followers.  They began to boo loudly and continuously. And audiences kept booing all around England.  When booed as vociferously as they were the usual reaction is to get off stage or stop what you’re doing.  Dylan plowed straight ahead ignoring the response.  There’s video of the next bit available too.  Someone in the audience shouted ‘Judas!’ which gives evidence of their solemnity.  Judas of course is the disciple who betrayed Jesus.  Bob shouted back ‘You’re a liar.’  And kept on going.

There are videos of this so that you can see the whole thing.  You can see Dylan going into shock.  Now, this is important, Dylan suffered psychological damage from this booing.  One of the band members quit the band because he couldn’t stand the constant booing.  Neither could Dylan actually although he wasn’t deterred.  And then he returned to the US with shattered nerves.  He had to have.  He perhaps returned with expectations of taking up where he left off with Edie.  If you’ve had a bad love affair you still can’t imagine the effect this likely had on his shattered self-esteem from the booing.  He could still conjure it up.

It was this time in early June when Bob attended a Warhol party and he and Edie went into a corner to discuss what he considered her betrayal.  Now, these were all very young people doing a lot of drugs, mainly amphetamines, where fidelity was not thought highly of.  The theme song was:  If you’re not with the  one you love,  love the one you’re with.  That phrase was thought to be really clever.  Bob had not been faithful to Edie while overseas.  So…

Did Bob really expect a young psychologically  unsettled woman who he had just met to sit around and wait for him for five months.  A woman who was the talk of the town.  Did he think no one would make a move on the belle of the town?  Apparently he did.

Andy Warhol wasted no time.  He had moved in:  ‘Hello Baby, want to be in the movies?’  Edie did and she went with the Warhols.  Now she was attempting to explain this to Bob perhaps per John Sebastian and the Lovin’ Spoonfuls song:    Have you ever had to make up your mind, pick up on one and leave the other one behind; it’s not often easy and not always kind.  Did you ever have to make up your mind?  Bob should have but with the booing ringing through his mind he was enraged by this rejection.

He went home and raged  for a couple weeks then sat down and vomited up his disappointment in the crazily raging song ‘Like A Rolling Stone.’  The rolling stone was perhaps Edie who rolled from him to Andy.  And then a month later Dylan in a hate filled screed called ‘Positively Fourth Street’ blasted Andy Warhol.

Keep in mind now that I don’t say what follows happened, nevertheless fifty some years later a woman appears and claims that when she was a teenager Bob coaxed her into his rooms at the Chelsea Hotel where he kept her for his sexual amusement for six weeks.  The woman’s lawyers refused to reveal her name other than the initial C.  Obviously she expected Bob to understand who had filed the suit, the C being the giveaway.  We don’t know, but perhaps the intent was merely a shakedown, if indeed Bob was guilty of something.  After a few weeks the suit was withdrawn.

A fact is that Bob did have rooms at the Chelsea.  The door to his room was recently sold along with other doors when the Chelsea remodeled.

So, we have the Collector movie of 1963 that Bob had undoubtedly seen, we have the unnerving booing, and it is a fact because it is on film even when a fan called out ‘Judas’ and Bob answered ‘You’re a liar.’ Then we have Bob’s disappointed sexual expectations disappointed when he felt rejected by Edie, we have his violent emotional outbreaks that were broadcast nationwide, even internationally  in his songs ‘Like A Rolling Stone’ and ‘Positively Fourth Street’.  The songs indicate a distressed mind and Bob didn’t care who knew it.   In fact, he wanted to unburden his mind to the whole, wide, entire world.  And…he had the means to do it.

We don’t have a confirmed identity for C.  Remember Catherine James?  C. could stand for Catherine.  Bob’s mind would definitely have to turn that way because if he knew Catherine as well as she says he did, and if so in the circumstances she says he knew her than I find it hard to believe that he didn’t seduce the thirteen year old Catherine James.

I have had slight contact with Catherine after publishing my review of her autobiography Dandelion.   I questioned her Dylan stories but she assured me that she does not lie.  She had some amazing contacts as a groupie, including as a live in with Mick Jagger that sounds like a stretcher but I have validated that and all those other claims and they are true.  Pamela Des Barres could also confirm them in her auto-biography ‘I’m With The Band’.  Catherine doesn’t lie as she emailed me but that doesn’t mean she can keep her dates straight.

Yet I can find no record of Bob having been in California for an extended stay in 1963.  Catherine was in NYC in 1964-65 as a fifteen year old.  She also has connections to Connecticut, in which State the suit was filed.  She does record running into Bob in NYC but he fluffed her off as though he didn’t know her.  Whether he might have looked her up after he knew she was in NYC is possible.  Catherine may not lie but she doesn’t have to tell all.

Connecticut lawyers took C’s. case and publicly announced it, nobody had to dig it out.  Later they retracted it.  A couple things could have happened if Bob realized that there was a basis for the suit.  One, C. could have chickened out.  Two, Bob could have bought C off to avoid adverse publicity.

At any rate he is said to have put his future wife Sara up at the Chelsea. The war between he and Warhol continued on through 1966.  As Edie went with Andy because of the movie offers, Dylan through 1965 tried to woo Edie back with a promise of a starring role in a movie he and his manager Albert Grossman said they were going to make, and that kept Edie on tenterhooks wavering between he and Warhol.  In November of 1965 it was announced to Edie that Bob had secretly, or at least quickly, married Sara.

Edie was devastated, crushed and destroyed.  Then rubbing salt into Edie’s wounds as a final blast he set down and vomited out his song Sooner or Later (One Of Us Must Know)  Once again blaring it to the world.  Then, he turned Edie over to his sidekick Bobby Neuwirth.  From Bobby she went on to debasement after debasement released finally by death.

The identity of C remains a mystery, she appeared suddenly and just as suddenly disappeared.  Strange that no sleuth has detected her identity.  I do believe that there may been a basis for the lawsuit however.  Bob always was careless with women.


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